Owners say law lets them tote guns in fanny packs

By Michael Higgins
Tribune Staff Writer
November 28, 2000

A growing number of registered Illinois gun owners believe they’ve found a legal loophole that allows them to carry concealed handguns and ammunition in public, tucked in specially designed fanny packs.

Fanny pack proponents say the trendy gun pouches, some of which are designed to look like day planners or cell phone cases, are a breakthrough for personal security. Gun control activists see their use as a legalistic ploy that threatens public safety.

Legal experts, police and prosecutors are debating the novel gun-law interpretation, which has gained adherents—and critics—across the state in a matter of months.

The fanny pack advocates have latched on to a long-standing clause in state law that permits a registered owner to carry a gun that is unloaded and “enclosed in a case … or other container.” The idea that specially designed fanny packs meet that standard has not been tested in court, and the question is apparently unique to Illinois, one of only seven states that bar most people from carrying concealed firearms.

It is both a strange new wrinkle in the ongoing struggle over guns in society and a twist on the use of fanny packs, formerly associated with such innocuous cargo as car keys, diaper wipes and light snacks.

Christopher Morley of Forest Park believes his new fanny pack is essential to his safety: If threatened, he can unzip the pack that rests on his hip, pull out his .45-caliber Glock pistol, slap in the ammunition clip and shoot, all in a few seconds.

“I basically make it a habit never to leave the house without my gun and my fanny pack,” said Morley, a 33-year-old advertising designer. Police “do tend to zoom in on the fanny pack. But I’ve never been stopped.”

Morley is a member of Concealed Carry Inc. of Oak Brook, one of the groups promoting the use of fanny packs as gun cases. That group and the Champaign County Rifle Association said they are sending letters to police chiefs around the state, telling them about what they perceive as a “de facto permit to carry” a concealed weapon.

On the home turf of the Champaign County Rifle Association, Urbana police say the statute is ambiguous enough that they’ve decided against making arrests for now. If officers encounter somebody with a gun in a fanny pack, they will note the incident and leave any decision on charges up to prosecutors.

“Our policy is that we’ll write a report and we’ll see whether the state’s attorney brings charges or not, because [the law] is arguable both ways,” Lt. James Page said.

Other law enforcement officials are prepared to take action.

The gun-case exception to the concealed-weapon ban was meant for people on their way to the shooting range, said Lt. William Schneider of the Des Plaines Police Department, not fanny packers.

“I’m pretty sure we would charge them,” he said. “I would say they’re taking a risk.”

“The fanny packs are basically like holsters” and probably not at all what the legislature had in mind when it demanded that guns be put in a case, said Cmdr. Tom Murphy of the Palatine Police Department.

A spokesman for the Cook County state’s attorney’s office said lawyers there are prepared to prosecute gun owners who carry firearms—loaded or unloaded—concealed in fanny packs. The law “means that you can transport a gun from one place to another, not carry the gun around like a pistol in a holster in the Wild West,” John Gorman, the spokesman, said.

Both the Illinois State Police and the attorney general’s office declined to discuss the fanny pack issue. Few court decisions on record in Illinois involve cases for carrying guns and none settles the fanny pack issue directly, experts say. And until a pertinent case arises, many agencies will not offer an opinion on how a hypothetical case might be handled.

Gun owners stress that their fanny packs are not like the flimsy nylon packs that people use to carry wallets, or even like a purse or gym bag.

These fanny packs usually feature holster pouches or straps inside the pack, designed to cradle a handgun. Many gun owners believe the design of these pouches allows them to meet the legal definition for a gun case.

“The fanny pack is nothing more than a case—a case for a firearm that meets the state law,” said Richard Pearson, president of the Illinois State Rifle Association. Although the association does not actively promote the use of fanny packs, Pearson said the interpretations by the Champaign County Rifle Association and Concealed Carry are correct.

Gun owners must check their local ordinances before assuming they can carry a concealed gun legally in a fanny pack, he said.

In Chicago, local law bans possession of a handgun in almost all cases, said Jennifer Hoyle, spokeswoman for the city’s law department. There is a limited exception that allows someone who lives outside the city to transport a gun through the city in a vehicle, if the gun is in a non-functioning state. But merely keeping the gun unloaded wouldn’t make it legal, Hoyle said.

“In Chicago, you can’t have it on your person like that,” Hoyle said.

Hoyle said it would be up to police to decide whether to arrest someone with an unloaded gun in a fanny pack.

Nationwide, 29 states allow non-felons to carry concealed handguns. Another 14 states allow residents to apply for permission to carry a concealed weapon.

Illinois’ law was intended to be more restrictive, experts say. But the “gun case” exemption muddies the waters and makes it difficult to predict how courts might rule on the fanny packs.

Pat Reardon, a criminal defense lawyer who also teaches at John Marshall Law School, said the law was “poorly worded.” He said that as a practical matter, he would not advise a gun owner to treat a fanny pack as a gun case, at least not in Cook County.

“I think a judge [in Cook County] would consider that more of a pocket or a purse than he would a gun container,” Reardon said.

But David Meyer, a professor at the University of Illinois College of Law, said that under a common legal rule, ambiguity in criminal statutes tend to be resolved in favor of the accused.

“As it stands now, my guess is the courts would be inclined to construe it in favor of people carrying concealed weapons,” he said.

Jack Rimland, president of the Illinois Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, said that although he personally favors gun control laws, he believes the fanny pack carriers may have found a valid exception to the concealed-weapon law.

That exception has been Illinois law for at least 18 years. But gun advocates say the provision went largely unnoticed until last spring, when the legislature put the same language into the state’s new gun law, the Safe Neighborhoods Act. This time around, gun advocates paid attention, and some began to carry concealed weapons.

Steve Rainbolt, a 29-year-old computer consultant from Lake in the Hills, started using one of the packs this summer.

He said he carries it mostly on weekends, for example, “If I’m going out to a restaurant or to a mall—basically anywhere I feel I may end up having to defend myself or my family.”

Ken Lally, 45, of Lockport takes his gun and fanny pack on his commute to Blue Island, where he is a maintenance mechanic at a chemical factory.

“For 20 years before that, I just carried the damn thing loaded and stuck it in my belt,” Lally said. Now, he’s “trying to be a little more legal. … It’s not as quick as a regular holster would be. I guess it’s the best we can hope for in this state.”

John Boch, vice chair of the Champaign County Rifle Association, said he carries his fanny pack practically everywhere except for places such as schools and liquor stores where guns are specifically prohibited.

“It’s very discreet,” said Boch, who does public relations work for police unions. “Ninety-nine people out of 100 have no idea that fanny packs are made for carrying firearms.”

Morley, the advertising man, said having a weapon is important because he has cerebral palsy and uses a cane. He said he was mugged twice before he carried a gun. Since he armed himself, he said, he has scared away two potential assailants by grabbing for his gun, but he has never fired it.

“I know that as a disabled person, I am a preferred victim,” he said.

Gun control advocates say even suggesting the idea of carrying a gun in a fanny pack is irresponsible.

“I think they’re … inviting people to break the law,” said Dennis Henigan, legal director of the Center to Prevent Handgun Violence in Washington, D.C.

“Anytime you introduce a gun into a tense situation, you are increasing the risk of lethal violence.”

Comments

  1. being in favor of carrying a concealed firearm i feel most law inforcement officers are scared we may take things in our own hands this isnt true in every case but if i have to protect my family where ever it maybe i cant wait on the police to get there to stop from lossing a love one these people arent affraid to put a gun in your face or knife to take away what youve worked so hard for and there getting away with it so i say if they can bare arms so should i i mean if these thugs see i have a legal right to carry my fire arm they will be more affraid to pull it look at it like this your a robber and you see a family to target you confront them and you see the women or man openly carrying a firearm your gonna walk away trust me most likely run now im not saying bring back the wild west i think there should be regulations sessions or classes to be passed in order to carry a firearm id go

    • JiminEl Paso says:

      Actually I was stopped at a documents check point where the Police stop cars and ask the driver to produce a valid driver’s license, registration and proof of insurance the other day and as usual, I handed the officer the required documents AND my Concealed Handgun License and informed him that I was indeed carrying. He said “wow, that’s the second one today” to which I replied “glad to hear it” and he said “me too!”. Here the attitude among law enforcement is that those who have CHLs have completed training on the laws, rules of engagement, rules of deadly force, the Castle doctine and demonstrated proficiency in the handling and accurate firing of their weapon, they have voluntarily submitted fingerprints, photograph and subjected themselves to a complete background check and were verified to have had nothing more serious than a traffic citation in the past five years, no conviction ever above a class b misdemeanor, not under a restraining order or treatment for a mental health condition and must requalify every five years so they are not viewed as any threat to public safety. When I enter an establishment that has armed security I show the security officer my CHL and inform him that I am armed out of a courtesy. Should there be a crime committed where bullets start flying I want the other good guy in the room with a gun to know that I am on his side so I don’t get shot by him if I am trying to help him or back him up. Although I am sure that from time to time, with all the safeguards in place that someone will slip through the cracks that really should not be allowed to legally carry but that percentage is so small that to deny the rest of the law abiding citizens that go through the process would be a disproportionate restriction on the 2nd amendment so great that the minimal increase in risk is justified. Let’s face it, criminals don’t get licenses to carry, they just carry.

  2. being in favor of carrying a concealed firearm i feel most law inforcement officers are scared we may take things in our own hands this isnt true in every case but if i have to protect my family where ever it maybe i cant wait on the police to get there to stop from lossing a love one these people arent affraid to put a gun in your face or knife to take away what youve worked so hard for and there getting away with it so i say if they can bare arms so should i i mean if these thugs see i have a legal right to carry my fire arm they will be more affraid to pull it look at it like this your a robber and you see a family to target you confront them and you see the women or man openly carrying a firearm your gonna walk away trust me most likely run now im not saying bring back the wild west i think there should be regulations sessions or classes to be passed in order to carry a firearm id go

    • I’d like to say that you are the man. Most people think that if you have a gun and something happens you pull it and …. shoot. That’s very wrong. Most statistics show that many times it’s good enough to pull it, show that you have it, have a bad guy at your aim and then the police comes. They would have a bad guy right there without need to chase him and potentially hurt somebody else. Makes sense?

  3. In response to a the previous post. I’m a law enforcement officer in central IL and it’s my personal opinion that every responsible law abiding citizen should be able to exercise their second amendment right to bear arms.

  4. In response to a the previous post. I’m a law enforcement officer in central IL and it’s my personal opinion that every responsible law abiding citizen should be able to exercise their second amendment right to bear arms.

    • James Andrews says:

      Good man! I can’t believe it’s taken this lont to get legal carry rights in this nazi state. Now we need to go after states like New York, New Jersey, etc., where getting said permits is extremely hard, unless you’re “connected” or rich!

      • Jay Wilson says:

        We actually need to hold Illinois to the task of issuing CCW permits by Feb. 1st. at least. They have taken every measure available to prevent an honest gun owner from practicing concealed carry in this state. The last state in the union feels they know more about guns & concealed carry than the forty nine other states of which many have had gun carrying permits for several years. This forsaken state has bombed on about every subject from economy job loss politics education & concealed carry & the outlook is not very promising for Illinois residents. I am wondering when i will ever see the CCW card that was passed by super majority & begrudgingly signed by Gov Quinn….

  5. I grew up with guns in the house. My father taught me how to handle a firearm when I was 8 years old and took me hunting when I was 10. When I was 18 I entered the military and fought in a war.I have owned guns for more than 50 years and think it’s about time the anti-gun people realize there are a lot of responsible gun-owners. Statistics prove without a doubt an armed citizen is safer in our society. Besides, the right to keep and bear arms is a constitutional right.

  6. I grew up with guns in the house. My father taught me how to handle a firearm when I was 8 years old and took me hunting when I was 10. When I was 18 I entered the military and fought in a war.I have owned guns for more than 50 years and think it’s about time the anti-gun people realize there are a lot of responsible gun-owners. Statistics prove without a doubt an armed citizen is safer in our society. Besides, the right to keep and bear arms is a constitutional right.

  7. I love the concept but this article is from 2000. What is the status of this law and have the they plugged the “loophole”?

  8. I love the concept but this article is from 2000. What is the status of this law and have the they plugged the “loophole”?

  9. I have been mugged twice in the City of Chicago and I only visit from the suburbs ocassionaly. I assume this is because I am a small person and look like an easy mark. I do not feel comfortable visiting Chicago. So my money stays in the suburbs. If I was able to carry a handgun in a way that was visible enough to be seen at an appropriate moment I probubly would have been able to walk away. As it is I am a law abiding citizen that can not walk in the best areas of Chicago without getting mugged. The Police cannot be everywhere so lets be resonable, sometimes it comes in handy to be able to defend yourself.

  10. I have been mugged twice in the City of Chicago and I only visit from the suburbs ocassionaly. I assume this is because I am a small person and look like an easy mark. I do not feel comfortable visiting Chicago. So my money stays in the suburbs. If I was able to carry a handgun in a way that was visible enough to be seen at an appropriate moment I probubly would have been able to walk away. As it is I am a law abiding citizen that can not walk in the best areas of Chicago without getting mugged. The Police cannot be everywhere so lets be resonable, sometimes it comes in handy to be able to defend yourself.

  11. BARRY KING says:

    I am a 47 year old business owner who recently purchased a handgun. Being from Indiana originally, I was surprised at the strictness of the gun laws in Illinois! How is this not a violation of our Constitutional rights?

  12. BARRY KING says:

    I am a 47 year old business owner who recently purchased a handgun. Being from Indiana originally, I was surprised at the strictness of the gun laws in Illinois! How is this not a violation of our Constitutional rights?

    • As far as i know illinois(the state i live in) is the only state that has 2 gov. in prison for coruption. They cant get nothing right

      • You just said it! Illinois where everything is correct starting at government lever. Well they never were and never will be afraid of these problems. They don’t walk where you want or have to or they do in front of media cameras surrounded by the bodyguards and street closed within 2 miles radius.

  13. Owl Creek Oberver says:

    I’m a military retiree and a senior citizen and have owned guns for most of my life. In addition to my military training, I have also completed the course work necessary for me to apply for carry permits in the majority of states, but not in Illinois, which is my home state. Of course most public policy here is generated by the Chicago political machine, including gun control. Unfortunately, the rest of the state is stuck with whatever oozes out of Chicago and that isn’t likely to ever change.

  14. Owl Creek Oberver says:

    I’m a military retiree and a senior citizen and have owned guns for most of my life. In addition to my military training, I have also completed the course work necessary for me to apply for carry permits in the majority of states, but not in Illinois, which is my home state. Of course most public policy here is generated by the Chicago political machine, including gun control. Unfortunately, the rest of the state is stuck with whatever oozes out of Chicago and that isn’t likely to ever change.

  15. I just bought two guns, I have them for safety reasons, Have Foid. I would leave my gun home every time I go out with my family if, ONLY IF, I am sure the bad guys are not armed. That mean if Police are able to disarm and confiscate all the weapons in the hands of criminals around the Cities and I can go out free of worries that I can be assaulted or even killed. Only then, I would not carry.

  16. I just bought two guns, I have them for safety reasons, Have Foid. I would leave my gun home every time I go out with my family if, ONLY IF, I am sure the bad guys are not armed. That mean if Police are able to disarm and confiscate all the weapons in the hands of criminals around the Cities and I can go out free of worries that I can be assaulted or even killed. Only then, I would not carry.

  17. i think this is a good idea. i am writing a 4 to 5 page paper on concealed and carry. I have owned guns for 7 years and I am only 16. I can shoot better than my dad or brother and I want to protect my self from them because they hate me and want to hurt me.

  18. i think this is a good idea. i am writing a 4 to 5 page paper on concealed and carry. I have owned guns for 7 years and I am only 16. I can shoot better than my dad or brother and I want to protect my self from them because they hate me and want to hurt me.

  19. Rick McDurmon says:

    I have used weapons to defend myself and family twice, once a 30-30 and once a .45 was used, am military trained in the use of long guns and pistols. Luckily both incidents happened at my home, and I have to say both times I could have killed the young dopehead farmer and been within my legal right to do so, I have no desire to harm anyone so I went out of my way to keep that from happening, that said, rounds were chambered and hammers were cocked and the slighest flinch things would have turned out very differently! I think as we progress along down the road of concealed carry, law-abiding citizens will tend to be very responsible with thier weapons. Criminals have weapons and carry the without regard to the law, so why cant we?

  20. Rick McDurmon says:

    I have used weapons to defend myself and family twice, once a 30-30 and once a .45 was used, am military trained in the use of long guns and pistols. Luckily both incidents happened at my home, and I have to say both times I could have killed the young dopehead farmer and been within my legal right to do so, I have no desire to harm anyone so I went out of my way to keep that from happening, that said, rounds were chambered and hammers were cocked and the slighest flinch things would have turned out very differently! I think as we progress along down the road of concealed carry, law-abiding citizens will tend to be very responsible with thier weapons. Criminals have weapons and carry the without regard to the law, so why cant we?

  21. The Narseman says:

    If all weapons were removed from criminals, you would still be in danger of being mugged or killed by some one bigger and meaner than you or a gang of thugs. The gun is the equaliser. It puts you on a level field with everyone else regardless of size. And enables you to face down 2, 3 or more in a gang. We are restricted today because a few power hungry asses want to reserve being armed as a perk to themselves and a few select associates as a way to make ordinary people feel dependant and subserviant to them the power brokers. The right to bear arms was about security from criminals but even more so about security from our own government run amuck. Look at the bullshit going on in Illinois today and wonder why the people in power don’t want to see the populace armed. This was recognized when our rights were written down hundreds of years ago, and was deemed so important it was put at number 2 in the list. Go to #ell Madigan and Daley.

    • The Raging Scotsman says:

      Narseman, you hit the bullseye! The reasons you give are precisely the reality which exists and is to be challenged at every opportunity. The day one of those “power hungry asses” as you so rightly call them gets robbed or worse, the media gets in an uproar over the gun control issue due to the publicity machinery these bastiges manipulate to their own advantage. Oh, one more thing. I defy ANYONE to produce legitimate proof of one, single conviction on unauthorized possession or unauthorized transport/carrying of a firearm which has been upheld against the wealthier, privileged members of our so-called ‘civilization’ and will acknowledge that as the exception, not the rule. This is another aspect of our legal system’s illness; the law only applies to you when you do not have access to powerful friends. Pft! My powerful friend is my GUN! (and, of course, my Constitution!).

    • That’s what everybody should do, go call them email them fax them etc. they represent us, we voted for them (I did not) so they should do what we want, what we have right to do. Are they listening?

  22. The Narseman says:

    If all weapons were removed from criminals, you would still be in danger of being mugged or killed by some one bigger and meaner than you or a gang of thugs. The gun is the equaliser. It puts you on a level field with everyone else regardless of size. And enables you to face down 2, 3 or more in a gang. We are restricted today because a few power hungry asses want to reserve being armed as a perk to themselves and a few select associates as a way to make ordinary people feel dependant and subserviant to them the power brokers. The right to bear arms was about security from criminals but even more so about security from our own government run amuck. Look at the bullshit going on in Illinois today and wonder why the people in power don’t want to see the populace armed. This was recognized when our rights were written down hundreds of years ago, and was deemed so important it was put at number 2 in the list. Go to #ell Madigan and Daley.

  23. Jason Williams says:

    I just carry when I need to. F the police.

  24. Jason Williams says:

    I just carry when I need to. F the police.

  25. Rick C. Hodgin says:

    Many people do not realize that rights are irrevocable without court action, meaning we are endowed with rights until such time as we forfeit them by breaking the law and being found guilty are kept from having them any longer.

    Privileges are granted to us, and can be revoked at any time. As such, the 2nd Amendment right specifically enumerates (though does not grant us, citizens) our inherent (natural, God given) right to keep and bear arms.

    It’s the “bear arms” which is important, because that allows us to have it on our person.

    Any gun laws could be challenged on that basis. However, if we voluntarily enter in to the system which grants us the privilege of carrying a gun under the legal framework of the law, then we are voluntarily agreeing to those terms, which is then governed under Admiralty Law, which is a form of contract law, whereby we agree legally to abide by the terms of the contract.

    If people want to get their rights back, they need to be looking to restore our legal system to Common Law, one of three forms provided for by our U.S. Constitution, which are: Common Law, Equity Law and Admiralty Law. Common Law is common stuff (don’t hurt people, steal, etc.), Equity Law is fairness law (what’s most equitable in a given scenario), and Admiralty Law is the law of the sea, or commerce law, which is in modern days contract law (anything you agree to by signature).

    Peace!

    • The Raging Scotsman says:

      Excellent insight into what the late Frank Zappa might have referred to as follows: “the crust of the biscuit, is the apostrophe.”
      You must study the law to be able to enforce your rights, or pay the law(yer) to defend those rights. Look at O.J. Simpson, who got away with murder because of his ABILITY TO PAY. Rodney King, of course, had no such ability, and since he had a record longer than his arm, no powerful friends, and now money, he was bound to lose in the end. The former had celebrity, and used it to prevail. The latter had notoriety on his side, but the government is loathe to punish its own agents’ indiscretions or even their crimes, especially when the accused is poor in friends and money. But look how their agents politely pursued O.J. for miles at a low speed, and treated him gently, because the news media was watching everything a celebrity does, and somehow it becomes noteworthy, whereas the beastly brutality perpetrated upon King was ‘pooh-poohed,’ as though somehow it was justified or allowable due to his status.

      Over the centuries things have not changed so much; those who have, get. Those who have not, do not get, and may receive a beating as well for their troubles. Civilization….Pft! I want my own ISLAND.

  26. Rick C. Hodgin says:

    Many people do not realize that rights are irrevocable without court action, meaning we are endowed with rights until such time as we forfeit them by breaking the law and being found guilty are kept from having them any longer.

    Privileges are granted to us, and can be revoked at any time. As such, the 2nd Amendment right specifically enumerates (though does not grant us, citizens) our inherent (natural, God given) right to keep and bear arms.

    It’s the “bear arms” which is important, because that allows us to have it on our person.

    Any gun laws could be challenged on that basis. However, if we voluntarily enter in to the system which grants us the privilege of carrying a gun under the legal framework of the law, then we are voluntarily agreeing to those terms, which is then governed under Admiralty Law, which is a form of contract law, whereby we agree legally to abide by the terms of the contract.

    If people want to get their rights back, they need to be looking to restore our legal system to Common Law, one of three forms provided for by our U.S. Constitution, which are: Common Law, Equity Law and Admiralty Law. Common Law is common stuff (don’t hurt people, steal, etc.), Equity Law is fairness law (what’s most equitable in a given scenario), and Admiralty Law is the law of the sea, or commerce law, which is in modern days contract law (anything you agree to by signature).

    Peace!

  27. Rick C. Hodgin says:

    One other point: Many people do not realize that the concealed carry law applies to concealed weapons, those which are hidden from view. If you have a gun on your hip in plain sight, there are no laws prohibiting.

    Check with your local law enforcement about that, by the way, because most officers do not realize this.

  28. Rick C. Hodgin says:

    One other point: Many people do not realize that the concealed carry law applies to concealed weapons, those which are hidden from view. If you have a gun on your hip in plain sight, there are no laws prohibiting.

    Check with your local law enforcement about that, by the way, because most officers do not realize this.

  29. I feel that it is every legitimate citizens right to bear arms. What kind of world do we live in when we can’t protect ourselves, and our family in a time of crisis? As a husband and father, it is my duty to protect my family at all costs. I would love to carry my pistol in a fanny pack, but as it stands now there is too much to lose if I am arrested for it. I am a graduate student, and have worked for too many years to give it all up. It’s sad that this is a risk at all. The risk of a prison sentence for protecting myself or my family… I realize unethical rich people, and their unethical lawyers up in Chicago have ruined laws for everyone in Illinois, but things should be rethought when it comes to self defense. Say It turns out that it is totally legal for me to carry my gun in a fanny pack. I would carry it everywhere I go, but what if I need to use it? The laws in Illinois are so strict on self defense that you would most likely serve time for using the firearm even when you are protecting yourself. For instance, if you are being assaulted by hand, or by knife, you can not use a firearm for protection. This is Bullshit considering I have had back surgery, and can not fight hand to hand and expect the results to be in my favor. I should have every right to “wound” the person with a pistol for protection. I do not think the carrier should be allowed to blow someones head off that tries to punch them, but you should be able to use your gun if you’re in need of protection.

  30. I feel that it is every legitimate citizens right to bear arms. What kind of world do we live in when we can’t protect ourselves, and our family in a time of crisis? As a husband and father, it is my duty to protect my family at all costs. I would love to carry my pistol in a fanny pack, but as it stands now there is too much to lose if I am arrested for it. I am a graduate student, and have worked for too many years to give it all up. It’s sad that this is a risk at all. The risk of a prison sentence for protecting myself or my family… I realize unethical rich people, and their unethical lawyers up in Chicago have ruined laws for everyone in Illinois, but things should be rethought when it comes to self defense. Say It turns out that it is totally legal for me to carry my gun in a fanny pack. I would carry it everywhere I go, but what if I need to use it? The laws in Illinois are so strict on self defense that you would most likely serve time for using the firearm even when you are protecting yourself. For instance, if you are being assaulted by hand, or by knife, you can not use a firearm for protection. This is Bullshit considering I have had back surgery, and can not fight hand to hand and expect the results to be in my favor. I should have every right to “wound” the person with a pistol for protection. I do not think the carrier should be allowed to blow someones head off that tries to punch them, but you should be able to use your gun if you’re in need of protection.

  31. What it boils down to is basically, “We The People” have to go into the highest court in the land and get our rights back. As I understand it, many other states in the union had to do just that to have their rights restored that some daisy assed politicain took away from us in order to get a few extra votes. “We The People” need to get pissed off and go grab our johnsons back from whoever it was that we let take them. “We The People” has become a joke in this country. We shouldn’t even be having this conversation.

  32. What it boils down to is basically, “We The People” have to go into the highest court in the land and get our rights back. As I understand it, many other states in the union had to do just that to have their rights restored that some daisy assed politicain took away from us in order to get a few extra votes. “We The People” need to get pissed off and go grab our johnsons back from whoever it was that we let take them. “We The People” has become a joke in this country. We shouldn’t even be having this conversation.

  33. I new to this fanny pack conversation but Im still not sure if its legal to have your weapon in a fanny pack. Can someone please help me.

  34. I new to this fanny pack conversation but Im still not sure if its legal to have your weapon in a fanny pack. Can someone please help me.

  35. Tom Stallone says:

    Why is it that when some jackass kills a person while driving drunk we never blame the car?
    Or when a child drowns we never blame the pool?
    But as soon as a gun is involved……..well get my point?

  36. Tom Stallone says:

    Why is it that when some jackass kills a person while driving drunk we never blame the car?
    Or when a child drowns we never blame the pool?
    But as soon as a gun is involved……..well get my point?

  37. Anthony WIlson says:

    Rick…I hate to tell you this, but in the State of Illinois you can’t carry a firearm openly either. Try that and you will have more “rain” on you than Hurricane Katrina.

    I suggest you don’t test that out, man.

  38. Anthony WIlson says:

    Rick…I hate to tell you this, but in the State of Illinois you can’t carry a firearm openly either. Try that and you will have more “rain” on you than Hurricane Katrina.

    I suggest you don’t test that out, man.

  39. Frank Craig says:

    Why do the majority of the people of Chicago hate America and the American’s right to protect themselves? There is no way on God’s green earth that they believe that not allowing Americans the right to protect themselves is in the best interest of the law abiding citizen! It has to be a visceral hatred of America because no one can be that stupid! I know people from Illinois that are not from Chicago and they love America and would never ask anyone to watch their wife or child be raped or abused without being able to stop it. Why do the people of Chicago wish that on other Americans?

  40. Frank Craig says:

    Why do the majority of the people of Chicago hate America and the American’s right to protect themselves? There is no way on God’s green earth that they believe that not allowing Americans the right to protect themselves is in the best interest of the law abiding citizen! It has to be a visceral hatred of America because no one can be that stupid! I know people from Illinois that are not from Chicago and they love America and would never ask anyone to watch their wife or child be raped or abused without being able to stop it. Why do the people of Chicago wish that on other Americans?

  41. Jerri D says:

    I agree that the law as it stands allows the use of the fanny pack to carry a weapon; however, don’t be misled into believeing that this is a “concealed weapon.” I favor concealed weapon carry and can do so in the state we live in (OK), but “concealed carry” means carrying a weapon (hidden from view) that can be fired in its carry state; not having to assemble it, including loading ammunition. The few seconds it takes to remove from the fanny pack AND load the weapon can mean the difference between life and death, yours and your attacker.
    Instruction that is required prior to licensing for the concealed carry includes the knowledge that you fire until the threat is gone; this can be once, 25 times, 3, 4, 5 clips,etc or not at all depending on when the threat no longer exits.

  42. Jerri D says:

    I agree that the law as it stands allows the use of the fanny pack to carry a weapon; however, don’t be misled into believeing that this is a “concealed weapon.” I favor concealed weapon carry and can do so in the state we live in (OK), but “concealed carry” means carrying a weapon (hidden from view) that can be fired in its carry state; not having to assemble it, including loading ammunition. The few seconds it takes to remove from the fanny pack AND load the weapon can mean the difference between life and death, yours and your attacker.
    Instruction that is required prior to licensing for the concealed carry includes the knowledge that you fire until the threat is gone; this can be once, 25 times, 3, 4, 5 clips,etc or not at all depending on when the threat no longer exits.

  43. Question: If I carry a gun in a fanny pack and am stopped in Illinois in traffic, what do I need to say to the cop if he asks “Is there anything I need to know about?” I do know that you need to tell the cop you have an unloaded gun in your fanny pack but I also know you need to tell him that he is violating your civil rights if he arrests you. An Attorneys comment on this would be helpful :) Thank you!

  44. Question: If I carry a gun in a fanny pack and am stopped in Illinois in traffic, what do I need to say to the cop if he asks “Is there anything I need to know about?” I do know that you need to tell the cop you have an unloaded gun in your fanny pack but I also know you need to tell him that he is violating your civil rights if he arrests you. An Attorneys comment on this would be helpful :) Thank you!

  45. bob thomas says:

    Liberals talk about the “children” that die because of guns. What they leave out is that most are older teens – industry deaths in gangland drug wars. To be fair, conservatives dont want to discuss the social consequences of our failed drug policy, including its impact on our gun rights.

    Three years after the end of alcohol prohibition, shooting deaths in America dropped by fifty percent. Why? Because guns were used by alcohol makers and sellers as a tool to control market territory. When the black market disappeared, then the need to control market territory disappeared. And gang shootings dropped dramatically.

    Unfortunately, conservatives forgot the lessons of alcohol prohibition. Now we have drug prohibition. And gangs, just like Capone’s, are fighting in the streets to control market share. The gun-phobic liberals, just like in the 1920′s, are blaming shooting deaths on “those evil guns.”

    I say enact social policy to address drug problems with similar strategies we used to manage alcohol problems. It is more effective, it would cost BILLIONS less, and it would drastically lower gun deaths (which would greatly weaken the liberal position.)

    So I say that Al Capone, Pablo Escobar, and a gun-phobic America, are the result of conservatives’ failed drug policy. Of course, they will never admit failure. Disappearing gun rights will always be the fault of those evil liberals.

    PS – The current laws on machine guns also came about due to the blowback of alcohol prohibition.

    • The Raging Scotsman says:

      This is perhaps the most realistic, comprehensive, and well-thought-out comment addressing these issues. Historical perspective can go a long way towards sorting out what really is going on.

  46. bob thomas says:

    Liberals talk about the “children” that die because of guns. What they leave out is that most are older teens – industry deaths in gangland drug wars. To be fair, conservatives dont want to discuss the social consequences of our failed drug policy, including its impact on our gun rights.

    Three years after the end of alcohol prohibition, shooting deaths in America dropped by fifty percent. Why? Because guns were used by alcohol makers and sellers as a tool to control market territory. When the black market disappeared, then the need to control market territory disappeared. And gang shootings dropped dramatically.

    Unfortunately, conservatives forgot the lessons of alcohol prohibition. Now we have drug prohibition. And gangs, just like Capone’s, are fighting in the streets to control market share. The gun-phobic liberals, just like in the 1920′s, are blaming shooting deaths on “those evil guns.”

    I say enact social policy to address drug problems with similar strategies we used to manage alcohol problems. It is more effective, it would cost BILLIONS less, and it would drastically lower gun deaths (which would greatly weaken the liberal position.)

    So I say that Al Capone, Pablo Escobar, and a gun-phobic America, are the result of conservatives’ failed drug policy. Of course, they will never admit failure. Disappearing gun rights will always be the fault of those evil liberals.

    PS – The current laws on machine guns also came about due to the blowback of alcohol prohibition.

  47. Open carry is illegal in illinois. The fanny pack issue is technically legal due to the wording of a “container” in legislation. As long as the fanny pack is certified as a gun “case”. You might still get arrested, but due to the double interpretation of the “gun case” wording the case is very likely to be dropped. But I would check local ordinances with a lawyer, not police because each cop will interpret laws differently.

  48. Open carry is illegal in illinois. The fanny pack issue is technically legal due to the wording of a “container” in legislation. As long as the fanny pack is certified as a gun “case”. You might still get arrested, but due to the double interpretation of the “gun case” wording the case is very likely to be dropped. But I would check local ordinances with a lawyer, not police because each cop will interpret laws differently.

  49. ok i live in central IL i am a young male in a very bad part of town i walk to a near by store for food drinks ect. and my freind has been robed once i have had a gun drawn on me twice and i have called the police and the can do a thing for me they told me not to be out this late but i work at night so i have to i cant defend myself

  50. ok i live in central IL i am a young male in a very bad part of town i walk to a near by store for food drinks ect. and my freind has been robed once i have had a gun drawn on me twice and i have called the police and the can do a thing for me they told me not to be out this late but i work at night so i have to i cant defend myself

  51. Concealed carry is a GOD SEND!!!!!! I have four children I love dearly. I want to be able to protect them. I know that if ever in a situation where I was threatened showing them I have protection could be enough to save me and my angels from harm I’m getting the permit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  52. Concealed carry is a GOD SEND!!!!!! I have four children I love dearly. I want to be able to protect them. I know that if ever in a situation where I was threatened showing them I have protection could be enough to save me and my angels from harm I’m getting the permit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  53. IL.CCW.Advocate says:

    I would like all of you who want concealed carry to join the ISRA and participate in the Iliinois Gun Owners Lobby Day (IGOLD) demonstration we have on the second Wednesday of march every year. It seems there are more and more people who participate. After We march we petition all of our representatives in the Capitol and Stratton buildings in Springfield.
    Bill Brady has been on our side since the first march 4 yrs ago. I believe we can getr a concealed carry law passed if he becomes Governor. We do need to elect more pro-gun candidates to the Illinois legislature though. Be informed about those seeking public service in your locale and support pro-gun issues.
    The Illinois State rifle association (ISRA) is responsible for winning the US. vs McDonald lawsuit in the US Supreme Court and as a result gave Chicago residents the ability to legally have a handgun in their homes again. We Can beat Chicago liberals again if we stay active, focused and informed.
    I work for the State so I take a vacation day to go to IGOLD. The sweet part is the State pays me to go to Springfield.
    I also have a Florida and a Utah non-resident CCW permit. It gives me a piece of mind to be able to exercise my constitutional rights when i am travelling in an adjoining State.
    CCW in ILL. Now!
    Thanks for your time.

  54. IL.CCW.Advocate says:

    I would like all of you who want concealed carry to join the ISRA and participate in the Iliinois Gun Owners Lobby Day (IGOLD) demonstration we have on the second Wednesday of march every year. It seems there are more and more people who participate. After We march we petition all of our representatives in the Capitol and Stratton buildings in Springfield.
    Bill Brady has been on our side since the first march 4 yrs ago. I believe we can getr a concealed carry law passed if he becomes Governor. We do need to elect more pro-gun candidates to the Illinois legislature though. Be informed about those seeking public service in your locale and support pro-gun issues.
    The Illinois State rifle association (ISRA) is responsible for winning the US. vs McDonald lawsuit in the US Supreme Court and as a result gave Chicago residents the ability to legally have a handgun in their homes again. We Can beat Chicago liberals again if we stay active, focused and informed.
    I work for the State so I take a vacation day to go to IGOLD. The sweet part is the State pays me to go to Springfield.
    I also have a Florida and a Utah non-resident CCW permit. It gives me a piece of mind to be able to exercise my constitutional rights when i am travelling in an adjoining State.
    CCW in ILL. Now!
    Thanks for your time.

  55. IL.CCW.Advocate says:

    If you cave to be out late at night, Carry a very bright flashlight. Flash the thugs eyes and run like hell. I heard of studnets on campus who program their cellphone to automatically sent any picture they take to their home computer as a back up. Very good idea! Walking with a witness when possible is also a good advice.

  56. IL.CCW.Advocate says:

    If you cave to be out late at night, Carry a very bright flashlight. Flash the thugs eyes and run like hell. I heard of studnets on campus who program their cellphone to automatically sent any picture they take to their home computer as a back up. Very good idea! Walking with a witness when possible is also a good advice.

  57. Joe Colbert says:

    I have a suggestion for ISRA would you post the names of represtives and sentors if Il, so when we go to the polls we would know who is pro-gun and who is anti-gun, I think there is a lot of people don’t know who is who, the election is on us very soon, and we need to vote out all of the anti-gun in public office.

  58. Joe Colbert says:

    I have a suggestion for ISRA would you post the names of represtives and sentors if Il, so when we go to the polls we would know who is pro-gun and who is anti-gun, I think there is a lot of people don’t know who is who, the election is on us very soon, and we need to vote out all of the anti-gun in public office.

  59. 24 years ago when I graduated college at 35 yrs old, I was looking for a state for new residence. Illinois had a few good possibilities as far as employers, but the state has effectively killed new residents with their ridiculous gun laws. First and foremost is their FOID. I can’t imagine applying for a permit just to practice my 2nd amendment RIGHTS. Anyway, I moved to Wisconsin where I have enjoyed living for the last 24 years. And it has been 24 years since I have set foot in Illinois. All because of their anti-gun mentality. That also means my taxes all went to a state other than Illinois, for 24 years.

  60. 24 years ago when I graduated college at 35 yrs old, I was looking for a state for new residence. Illinois had a few good possibilities as far as employers, but the state has effectively killed new residents with their ridiculous gun laws. First and foremost is their FOID. I can’t imagine applying for a permit just to practice my 2nd amendment RIGHTS. Anyway, I moved to Wisconsin where I have enjoyed living for the last 24 years. And it has been 24 years since I have set foot in Illinois. All because of their anti-gun mentality. That also means my taxes all went to a state other than Illinois, for 24 years.

  61. Daniel Trout says:

    Chicago sometimes is like a hemroid on IL ther little corner of the state puts things on us like gun control and a crooked govenor that the majority does not want could we saw the city off and let it float into Lake Michigan so we can have our gun rights back

  62. Daniel Trout says:

    Chicago sometimes is like a hemroid on IL ther little corner of the state puts things on us like gun control and a crooked govenor that the majority does not want could we saw the city off and let it float into Lake Michigan so we can have our gun rights back

  63. I don’t understand I was born in the us. I have a felony Now I’m not a citizen. I’m trying to do the right thing but people see I have a felony. It’s like I have A.D.S. by me being a felon what do I do If someone breaks in my place? Call the law and “hope they get there” No I’m getting a gun and do what I have to. Baning guns ant going to change nothing. Folk still will buy guns of the streets. mike

  64. I don’t understand I was born in the us. I have a felony Now I’m not a citizen. I’m trying to do the right thing but people see I have a felony. It’s like I have A.D.S. by me being a felon what do I do If someone breaks in my place? Call the law and “hope they get there” No I’m getting a gun and do what I have to. Baning guns ant going to change nothing. Folk still will buy guns of the streets. mike

  65. Illinois, and in particular Cook County, are governed by hypocritical and corrupt individuals who don’t actually have the right to take away peoples constitutional rights. Unfortunately the way things are in society in this county and state unless one can afford a costly lawyer to help one protect one’s rights and challenge the ridiculous unconstitutional laws, innocent law abiding people can get in trouble and be victimized by these corrupt laws. It is a shame that good god fearing, law abiding folks should be forced to comply with these insane laws. For only law abiding folks follow the laws and the bad guys don’t and never have anyhow. Some unconstitutional insane gun laws are not going to stop a mugger, or a rapist, or an insane murderer from carrying and using a gun against their victims. So why would a government enact laws that prohibit law abiding people the right to protect themselves ? A case of a mislead government once again thinking that they know whats better for the folks who they work for then the people themselves. It is well beyond the time for the fine people of the state of Illinois to take back their rights and abolish the corrupt government officials in this state who are ruling them to death. The state needs government who are working for the rights of the law abiding people, helping them protect themselves and allowing them the freedoms that were given to them when the United States of America was being formed. How many more people will have to be shot by a criminal’s gun in this state before law abiding people are allowed to shoot back ?

  66. Illinois, and in particular Cook County, are governed by hypocritical and corrupt individuals who don’t actually have the right to take away peoples constitutional rights. Unfortunately the way things are in society in this county and state unless one can afford a costly lawyer to help one protect one’s rights and challenge the ridiculous unconstitutional laws, innocent law abiding people can get in trouble and be victimized by these corrupt laws. It is a shame that good god fearing, law abiding folks should be forced to comply with these insane laws. For only law abiding folks follow the laws and the bad guys don’t and never have anyhow. Some unconstitutional insane gun laws are not going to stop a mugger, or a rapist, or an insane murderer from carrying and using a gun against their victims. So why would a government enact laws that prohibit law abiding people the right to protect themselves ? A case of a mislead government once again thinking that they know whats better for the folks who they work for then the people themselves. It is well beyond the time for the fine people of the state of Illinois to take back their rights and abolish the corrupt government officials in this state who are ruling them to death. The state needs government who are working for the rights of the law abiding people, helping them protect themselves and allowing them the freedoms that were given to them when the United States of America was being formed. How many more people will have to be shot by a criminal’s gun in this state before law abiding people are allowed to shoot back ?

  67. Help me understand this … I’m an Illinois resident with a second home in Florida where I’ve just taken the Conceal Carry course, submitted my application, and will have my 7 year permit by early next year. My instructor told me that with a CC there is not wait on a handgun purchase in Florida. We just have to flush the liberals out of Illinois.

  68. Help me understand this … I’m an Illinois resident with a second home in Florida where I’ve just taken the Conceal Carry course, submitted my application, and will have my 7 year permit by early next year. My instructor told me that with a CC there is not wait on a handgun purchase in Florida. We just have to flush the liberals out of Illinois.

  69. Anyone remember those old ads, “Outlaw Guns and Only Criminals Will Have Guns”. Stupid slogan, I know, but essentially it was correct. I live in Chicago where all the criminals have guns and law abiding citizens can’t. How is that better? True story: My home alarm system’s PANIC button was pushed by accident by my young daughter. It took 20 long minutes for police to arrive – so long that I had even forgotten the PANIC alarm had gone off. Isn’t that just great? Had there been an actual break-in, they’d be there in time to tag our bodies while the bad guys got away with everything we own. Thanks to ISRA for getting our handgun rights back in Chicago. No CCW yet, but at least I can defend myself and my family in my own home now. With every other state in the nation handing out CCW permits, guess where all the bad guys will want to come for easy pickins’?

  70. Anyone remember those old ads, “Outlaw Guns and Only Criminals Will Have Guns”. Stupid slogan, I know, but essentially it was correct. I live in Chicago where all the criminals have guns and law abiding citizens can’t. How is that better? True story: My home alarm system’s PANIC button was pushed by accident by my young daughter. It took 20 long minutes for police to arrive – so long that I had even forgotten the PANIC alarm had gone off. Isn’t that just great? Had there been an actual break-in, they’d be there in time to tag our bodies while the bad guys got away with everything we own. Thanks to ISRA for getting our handgun rights back in Chicago. No CCW yet, but at least I can defend myself and my family in my own home now. With every other state in the nation handing out CCW permits, guess where all the bad guys will want to come for easy pickins’?

  71. I agree that not everyone should be allowed to conceal carry, because it takes more than I FOID card to determine how capable you are to control your temper or emotions. On the other hand, there are obviously people in law enforcement that shouldn’t be able to carry either.
    I have a state restricted conceal carry permit and I plan on taking training classes to make sure I know what I’m doing before I would consider carrying my firearm anywhere, anytime.
    My concern with the people that don’t want responsible citizens to carry a weapon (Daley/PD) are either protected by people carrying weapons or they carry weapons themselves. I would say that most law enforcement personel carry their weapons even when they’re going to Home Depot.
    Illinois as well as the other states with restrictions should consider CCP with the completion of a reasonable amount of training, which should be determined by the NRA or eqivalent independant associations.

  72. I agree that not everyone should be allowed to conceal carry, because it takes more than I FOID card to determine how capable you are to control your temper or emotions. On the other hand, there are obviously people in law enforcement that shouldn’t be able to carry either.
    I have a state restricted conceal carry permit and I plan on taking training classes to make sure I know what I’m doing before I would consider carrying my firearm anywhere, anytime.
    My concern with the people that don’t want responsible citizens to carry a weapon (Daley/PD) are either protected by people carrying weapons or they carry weapons themselves. I would say that most law enforcement personel carry their weapons even when they’re going to Home Depot.
    Illinois as well as the other states with restrictions should consider CCP with the completion of a reasonable amount of training, which should be determined by the NRA or eqivalent independant associations.

  73. Mike, as a felon, not only are you not really a citizen but in fact you are property of the state. That’s correct a slave. You now have no rights at all they just tell you about voting and guns but in fact you lost them all. Anyone wonder why it’s easier all the time to get a felony? They don’t need to ban guns just slowly make everything a felony offense.

  74. Mike, as a felon, not only are you not really a citizen but in fact you are property of the state. That’s correct a slave. You now have no rights at all they just tell you about voting and guns but in fact you lost them all. Anyone wonder why it’s easier all the time to get a felony? They don’t need to ban guns just slowly make everything a felony offense.

  75. j.s. miller says:

    just remember, it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by six,,, find a jury of 12 liberals to convict a person who” feared for his life”,, not even in cook county

  76. j.s. miller says:

    just remember, it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by six,,, find a jury of 12 liberals to convict a person who” feared for his life”,, not even in cook county

  77. jerry costa says:

    when are people (especially police)going to get it thruogh thier thick heads that”YOU DONT NEED GOVERMENT PERMISSION (LOCAL OR OTHERWISE)TO CARRY A GUN FOR YOUR OWN DEFENSE….HOW WOULD THE POLICE FEEL IF WE DISARMED THEM AND AS A SOCIETY DID NOT ALLOW THEM TO CARRY GUNS….99 % WOULD FIND ANOTHER LINE OF WORK…PERHAPS AS CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST’S………….

  78. jerry costa says:

    when are people (especially police)going to get it thruogh thier thick heads that”YOU DONT NEED GOVERMENT PERMISSION (LOCAL OR OTHERWISE)TO CARRY A GUN FOR YOUR OWN DEFENSE….HOW WOULD THE POLICE FEEL IF WE DISARMED THEM AND AS A SOCIETY DID NOT ALLOW THEM TO CARRY GUNS….99 % WOULD FIND ANOTHER LINE OF WORK…PERHAPS AS CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST’S………….

  79. jerry costa says:

    bob thomas you are so right on the money ….
    hit the nail on the head…goverment bans natural resources ie marajuana dont smoke it never have and never will but people have the right to smoke it,drink it ,sniff it,or chew it if they so chose as long as they dont infringe on my rights…..or those of others….

  80. jerry costa says:

    bob thomas you are so right on the money ….
    hit the nail on the head…goverment bans natural resources ie marajuana dont smoke it never have and never will but people have the right to smoke it,drink it ,sniff it,or chew it if they so chose as long as they dont infringe on my rights…..or those of others….

  81. “Anytime you introduce a gun into a tense situation, you are increasing the risk of lethal violence.”

    Unless it’s in the hands of the victim-of course.

  82. “Anytime you introduce a gun into a tense situation, you are increasing the risk of lethal violence.”

    Unless it’s in the hands of the victim-of course.

  83. I am running unopposed as a city counsel member of a small town. When and if I get elected, I am wondering since I am a elected city official, will I be able to conceal carry? Or is that just for the Chicago corrupt officials?
    I had a conceal permit in florida, and I kinda feel naked without the protection of a firearm.

  84. I am running unopposed as a city counsel member of a small town. When and if I get elected, I am wondering since I am a elected city official, will I be able to conceal carry? Or is that just for the Chicago corrupt officials?
    I had a conceal permit in florida, and I kinda feel naked without the protection of a firearm.

  85. “Anytime you introduce a gun into a tense situation, you are increasing the risk of lethal violence.”

    Anytime you introduce a criminal element into any situation, there is a risk of lethal violence. Criminals cannot and SHOULD NOT ever be counted on to be non-lethal.

    And its also been documented year in and year out that a victim introducing a firearm into a “tense situation” increases the “risk” that the crime will not be committed. Those poor poor law breakers just trying to make a living :(

  86. “Anytime you introduce a gun into a tense situation, you are increasing the risk of lethal violence.”

    Anytime you introduce a criminal element into any situation, there is a risk of lethal violence. Criminals cannot and SHOULD NOT ever be counted on to be non-lethal.

    And its also been documented year in and year out that a victim introducing a firearm into a “tense situation” increases the “risk” that the crime will not be committed. Those poor poor law breakers just trying to make a living :(

  87. Jack Krauss says:

    Its time for the people of Illinois to wake up. The bad guys will always have guns. As a law abiding citizen and former police office from another state, I feel that every law abiding citizen with proper training should have the right to conceal and carry.

    All states that have conceal and carry laws have reduced crime since they implemented their conceal and carry law.

  88. Jack Krauss says:

    Its time for the people of Illinois to wake up. The bad guys will always have guns. As a law abiding citizen and former police office from another state, I feel that every law abiding citizen with proper training should have the right to conceal and carry.

    All states that have conceal and carry laws have reduced crime since they implemented their conceal and carry law.

  89. ilove mycountry says:

    It reads you have the right to bear arms ….yes there are amendments but they mean absolutely nothing at the supreme court level as they are peeled away during violation of your rights….true we need to be law abiding citizens, however you must not be a felon committing crimes. See how the law protects your rights as long as your not a criminal, a process for obtaining a foid or professional perc card and tan card are totally useless as long as you understand your rights… however I do suggest you obtain them just in case your are stopped and arrested because they tell the story of who you are not to the police. There are 100,000 lawyers just waiting for police prosecutors to violate your rights, just make sure to use constitutional lawyers. Its like winning the lottery when they violate your rights, ever wonder why those cases never get published
    1.FOID :
    Identifies you to the state which confirms your citizen status and are not a felon (revenue)
    2.Blue Perc Card :
    Identifies your profession (revenue)
    3.Tan Card
    Identifies you are qualified to shoot that specific firearm (revenue)

  90. ilove mycountry says:

    It reads you have the right to bear arms ….yes there are amendments but they mean absolutely nothing at the supreme court level as they are peeled away during violation of your rights….true we need to be law abiding citizens, however you must not be a felon committing crimes. See how the law protects your rights as long as your not a criminal, a process for obtaining a foid or professional perc card and tan card are totally useless as long as you understand your rights… however I do suggest you obtain them just in case your are stopped and arrested because they tell the story of who you are not to the police. There are 100,000 lawyers just waiting for police prosecutors to violate your rights, just make sure to use constitutional lawyers. Its like winning the lottery when they violate your rights, ever wonder why those cases never get published
    1.FOID :
    Identifies you to the state which confirms your citizen status and are not a felon (revenue)
    2.Blue Perc Card :
    Identifies your profession (revenue)
    3.Tan Card
    Identifies you are qualified to shoot that specific firearm (revenue)

  91. as a buisness owner in the city of chicago. i am afraid to lock up the doors at night. last month one of my friend and customer got shot locking up the taco restaurant that they own. thank god he is alive. its because he didnt let some customers in after they closed to use the bathroom. so they waited for him to locked up and waited for him out side if he had a gun they wouldnt have waited for him knowing he had a chance to protect him self. i belive we should have the right to bear arms if not then why do we even have a constitution. remember its suppose to be the land of the free

  92. as a buisness owner in the city of chicago. i am afraid to lock up the doors at night. last month one of my friend and customer got shot locking up the taco restaurant that they own. thank god he is alive. its because he didnt let some customers in after they closed to use the bathroom. so they waited for him to locked up and waited for him out side if he had a gun they wouldnt have waited for him knowing he had a chance to protect him self. i belive we should have the right to bear arms if not then why do we even have a constitution. remember its suppose to be the land of the free

  93. michael crenshaw says:

    I’m an armed guard on the west side of chicago I see gang bangers shoot people in plan sight its sad that people who obay the law can’t protect themselves I carry mine everywhere I don’t care its me our them I’ve been mugged twice and car jacked I’m tired of it I will protect myself and my loved ones and if things don’t change there are going to be alot of vigalantes on the streets of chicago

  94. michael crenshaw says:

    I’m an armed guard on the west side of chicago I see gang bangers shoot people in plan sight its sad that people who obay the law can’t protect themselves I carry mine everywhere I don’t care its me our them I’ve been mugged twice and car jacked I’m tired of it I will protect myself and my loved ones and if things don’t change there are going to be alot of vigalantes on the streets of chicago

  95. Ralph Soto says:

    I FEEL CITIZENS SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO PROTECT THEMSELVES IN ANY SITUATION THAT THEY MIGHT COME ACROSS. I LIVE IN CHICAGO AND I LIVE NEAR HUMBOLT PARK AND IF ANYONE KNOWS ITS NOT THE BEST AREA IN CHICAGO… SO I BECAME AN ARMED SECURITY GUARD SO I CAN BE ALLOWED TO CARRY MY FIREARM… BUT WITH A FOID PERC AND TAN CARD THINK THAT IF I WERE TO GET CAUGHT CONCEALED CARRY (NOT WORKING) WOULD THOSE PERMITS SAVE ME???

  96. Ralph Soto says:

    I FEEL CITIZENS SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO PROTECT THEMSELVES IN ANY SITUATION THAT THEY MIGHT COME ACROSS. I LIVE IN CHICAGO AND I LIVE NEAR HUMBOLT PARK AND IF ANYONE KNOWS ITS NOT THE BEST AREA IN CHICAGO… SO I BECAME AN ARMED SECURITY GUARD SO I CAN BE ALLOWED TO CARRY MY FIREARM… BUT WITH A FOID PERC AND TAN CARD THINK THAT IF I WERE TO GET CAUGHT CONCEALED CARRY (NOT WORKING) WOULD THOSE PERMITS SAVE ME???

  97. Emerson Trimble says:

    It is about time Illinois to wake up and smell the roses. i can’t so i can apply to carry.

  98. Emerson Trimble says:

    It is about time Illinois to wake up and smell the roses. i can’t so i can apply to carry.

  99. Chicago Slingshot says:

    I think we are so close to getting concealed carry approved in Illinois that we should not risk giving the gun grabbers more ammo by trying to carry with a fanny pack. What if an incident arises and we lose the case? That would set us back and we are so close now. I am optomistic that legislation will be passed by the end of the year allowing concealed carry in Illinois. Lets all cross our fingers and contact our reps and senators. Just my two cents.

  100. Chicago Slingshot says:

    I think we are so close to getting concealed carry approved in Illinois that we should not risk giving the gun grabbers more ammo by trying to carry with a fanny pack. What if an incident arises and we lose the case? That would set us back and we are so close now. I am optomistic that legislation will be passed by the end of the year allowing concealed carry in Illinois. Lets all cross our fingers and contact our reps and senators. Just my two cents.

  101. I have one question if Chicago is so safe with the right to bear arms taken away (a VIOLATION of your rights)? Why is it that Mayor Daily wants police protection 24/7 when leaves office.I have been around guns all my life and so have my sons and daughters and they know when to and when not to use a gun and how to use it and two of my sons are police officers. I have asked police officers from all ranks and 80% of them are for conceal and carry even more now because of the cut backs and layoffs and there is allot of people out there that say Communism is being practised in chicago and Illinois.

  102. I have one question if Chicago is so safe with the right to bear arms taken away (a VIOLATION of your rights)? Why is it that Mayor Daily wants police protection 24/7 when leaves office.I have been around guns all my life and so have my sons and daughters and they know when to and when not to use a gun and how to use it and two of my sons are police officers. I have asked police officers from all ranks and 80% of them are for conceal and carry even more now because of the cut backs and layoffs and there is allot of people out there that say Communism is being practised in chicago and Illinois.

  103. WHAT NONSENSE, AND WHAT FOOLS ARE THE LIBERALS OF THIS STATE ARE. LOOK UP THE LAWS AND YOU WOULD FIND THAT NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO SAY TO ANOTHER PERSON HOW THEY CAN OR CANNOT PROTECT THEIR LIVES. NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL ME HOW I CAN OR CANNOT PROTECT MYSELF.

  104. WHAT NONSENSE, AND WHAT FOOLS ARE THE LIBERALS OF THIS STATE ARE. LOOK UP THE LAWS AND YOU WOULD FIND THAT NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO SAY TO ANOTHER PERSON HOW THEY CAN OR CANNOT PROTECT THEIR LIVES. NOBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO TELL ME HOW I CAN OR CANNOT PROTECT MYSELF.

  105. I think this state needs to give the conceal carry rights to any gun owner that has been checked and cleared by legal law. I come from Wyoming where I received my conceal cary permit so I could cross state lines with my 10mm but I have grown up with firearms and have always carried a pistol where ever I go. I have run through the south side of chicago twice in semi trucks and both times I have had punks jump on trailers and start unstrap loads while moveing and stopped and because of illinois handgun laws I couldn’t do a dang thing about it because I knew every one of them had an illigal gun but I woulda been the prossicuted so to sum up I can carry in 44 states but the criminals swarm to illinois and the other 5 states where they know that the leagal law abbiding citizens. Don’t have the right to defend themselves with leathal force if need be. Ill needs to give the rights back to the law abbiding citizens and the anti gun crybabys need to get there head outa there butts and wake up to the world we live in

  106. I think this state needs to give the conceal carry rights to any gun owner that has been checked and cleared by legal law. I come from Wyoming where I received my conceal cary permit so I could cross state lines with my 10mm but I have grown up with firearms and have always carried a pistol where ever I go. I have run through the south side of chicago twice in semi trucks and both times I have had punks jump on trailers and start unstrap loads while moveing and stopped and because of illinois handgun laws I couldn’t do a dang thing about it because I knew every one of them had an illigal gun but I woulda been the prossicuted so to sum up I can carry in 44 states but the criminals swarm to illinois and the other 5 states where they know that the leagal law abbiding citizens. Don’t have the right to defend themselves with leathal force if need be. Ill needs to give the rights back to the law abbiding citizens and the anti gun crybabys need to get there head outa there butts and wake up to the world we live in

  107. One more thing. Our founding fathers set forth our rights after this countrys revolution from british tirany
    And the right to bare arms is one of those laws now we have a bunch of s’not nosed suits telling us that right is no longer ours well I got news it is our right and I personaly am going to cary any where and everywhere I think my family or I will be thretend I have no problem useing leathal force where nessicary

  108. One more thing. Our founding fathers set forth our rights after this countrys revolution from british tirany
    And the right to bare arms is one of those laws now we have a bunch of s’not nosed suits telling us that right is no longer ours well I got news it is our right and I personaly am going to cary any where and everywhere I think my family or I will be thretend I have no problem useing leathal force where nessicary

  109. Chicago Native says:

    If anyone believes that banning concealed weapons makes the world safer they are nuts. Do the fools actually believe that the man(or woman) who legally purchases a handgun and goes through all the background checks and training to carry is going to commit a crime with it? when i lived in chicago there were more people with guns looking to commit crimes than politicians and some police let on. I could go to 63rd and western and buy a gun from the guy in the alley for $100 bucks.

    I carry legally and have my “Card”. I have been through many safety courses and training environments. I have been in combat. I know how to use a weapon safely and so does my family. I carry the card because it is the law and it protects me from being harassed by law enforcement. (never happened) I carry all the time and you can bet when i come back to Chicago i will be carrying.

    on a final note. I have used my weapon to protect myself once. never fired a round but the individual that wanted my wallet found out I was the wrong mark. he is in jail serving 7+ for attempted armed robbery.

  110. Chicago Native says:

    If anyone believes that banning concealed weapons makes the world safer they are nuts. Do the fools actually believe that the man(or woman) who legally purchases a handgun and goes through all the background checks and training to carry is going to commit a crime with it? when i lived in chicago there were more people with guns looking to commit crimes than politicians and some police let on. I could go to 63rd and western and buy a gun from the guy in the alley for $100 bucks.

    I carry legally and have my “Card”. I have been through many safety courses and training environments. I have been in combat. I know how to use a weapon safely and so does my family. I carry the card because it is the law and it protects me from being harassed by law enforcement. (never happened) I carry all the time and you can bet when i come back to Chicago i will be carrying.

    on a final note. I have used my weapon to protect myself once. never fired a round but the individual that wanted my wallet found out I was the wrong mark. he is in jail serving 7+ for attempted armed robbery.

  111. Braxton says:

    Strange everybody wants to carry a gun. Even stranger is NOBODY wants to address GUN OWNER Responsibility. Maybe its time the gun lovers GOT ON THE GUN OWNER RESPONSIBILITY bandwagon. I read too many stories of my right to use lethal force. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO USE LETHAL FORCE, you have an OBLIGATION to use the AMOUNT OF FORCE needed to protect yourself.

    Time to subject EVERY SINGLE GUN in America to this standard. That includes the one’s carried by law enforcement.

    I own em, fix em, and have 12 patents on designs for em. I don’t think I have the right to use em just because they are there. I have an obligation to temper and humble myself because once you use one you have a lot of consequences to live with. And that ARROGANT mindset of I did what I had to do DON’T CUT IT.

  112. Braxton says:

    Strange everybody wants to carry a gun. Even stranger is NOBODY wants to address GUN OWNER Responsibility. Maybe its time the gun lovers GOT ON THE GUN OWNER RESPONSIBILITY bandwagon. I read too many stories of my right to use lethal force. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO USE LETHAL FORCE, you have an OBLIGATION to use the AMOUNT OF FORCE needed to protect yourself.

    Time to subject EVERY SINGLE GUN in America to this standard. That includes the one’s carried by law enforcement.

    I own em, fix em, and have 12 patents on designs for em. I don’t think I have the right to use em just because they are there. I have an obligation to temper and humble myself because once you use one you have a lot of consequences to live with. And that ARROGANT mindset of I did what I had to do DON’T CUT IT.

  113. chitown20 says:

    I live in the chi and its SO easy to get a gun around the city.. $100-$150.. if you want a lazer beam or an AK47 its more expensive, but not hard to find. All these gangs have guns and we have the most gang members ANYWHERE in the country (100,000 active gang members). You democrats are hilarious with your legislation.. you’ve solved nothing and many innocent people’s lives have been lost due to your ignorance.

  114. chitown20 says:

    I live in the chi and its SO easy to get a gun around the city.. $100-$150.. if you want a lazer beam or an AK47 its more expensive, but not hard to find. All these gangs have guns and we have the most gang members ANYWHERE in the country (100,000 active gang members). You democrats are hilarious with your legislation.. you’ve solved nothing and many innocent people’s lives have been lost due to your ignorance.

  115. care-less says:

    About time we all just marched on the State Capitol and told them to “Kiss off” I won’t say what I am really thinking. Politicians are like diapers. They need to be changed often, and for the same reason.

  116. care-less says:

    About time we all just marched on the State Capitol and told them to “Kiss off” I won’t say what I am really thinking. Politicians are like diapers. They need to be changed often, and for the same reason.

  117. Rockford is smaller than Chicago, but just as dangerous. People get messed with here a lot for no reason. These bullies get away with too much… they know people cant defend themselves so they start trouble. When they see people can defend themselves, they will look for other means for getting what they want. ILL need to get there stuff together. They need to stop stealing from tax payers and help us out!

  118. Rockford is smaller than Chicago, but just as dangerous. People get messed with here a lot for no reason. These bullies get away with too much… they know people cant defend themselves so they start trouble. When they see people can defend themselves, they will look for other means for getting what they want. ILL need to get there stuff together. They need to stop stealing from tax payers and help us out!

  119. chuck jenkins says:

    I just think that we should be able to carry because that has been our right for many years .i am 55 years old and i think its time we all get togather and fight for that right .i have my card to own and carry and i want to right.i have a mossburg 835 12 ga single barrel shotgun and i have a archery bow. i intend to buy a pistol and i will carry it until the law is oassed.

  120. chuck jenkins says:

    I just think that we should be able to carry because that has been our right for many years .i am 55 years old and i think its time we all get togather and fight for that right .i have my card to own and carry and i want to right.i have a mossburg 835 12 ga single barrel shotgun and i have a archery bow. i intend to buy a pistol and i will carry it until the law is oassed.

  121. Bob Rodman says:

    Gun Control:
    The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

    Remember the police do not protect you… they come after the crime as been committed.

    • The Raging Scotsman says:

      What’s even more heinous than your example is the simple FACT that there is NO LAW in IL which states that the police must PROTECT YOUR LIFE…look ‘em up and down, but they just don’t exist. All of this is merely a power struggle, the have’s against the have-not’s, nothing could be simpler. Protect yourself because as the folk wisdom goes, it is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.

  122. Roy Stamps says:

    As I get older, I see more and more a need to bolster my presence when young people and people who would take advantage of older people. I believe our right to protect ourselves in Ill. has been usurped. I believe that is more resposible people were allowed to acquire concealed weapons permits in places like Chicago, it would make the criminal element think twice if not three times about mugging someone that could possibly have a gun on his or her person.

    I for one would carry no matter what if I thought I needed to. There’s an old saying. Its better to be tried by 12 than carried by six. The only thing I would say is, there are certain training tecniques that would need to be passed before allowing too many people to acquire a concealed carry permit.

    Hey we could always vote them out that don’t like it and within two to four years we would have people in government that would vote the way we want on these issues.

  123. Gail McDurmon says:

    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. THIS IS THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND THE LAW OF THE LAND!!! PERIOD.

  124. Nate carry says:

    I live 3 hours south of Chicago and we’ve had alot of criminals so called “shipped are way”. This town now has a Pro-active Unit dedecaded to gang activity. Most people will not even walk down the street, esp on the west side at night. I have been harrassed many times, but never actually harmed. I am now appling for my foid card. It’s about time Ill has a gun law that works for law abiding citizens. I will carry in ill in a legal manner, everbody without a felony should have this right, and Guess What We Do!!

  125. Stan S. says:

    I believe that i should be able carry my gun on me whenever i want to i have a right to protect myself what if i get mugged how would i protect myself?Or if i get threatened with another firearm I could be killed just because of some stupid law that Illinois makes well i don’t think that all these lawmakers have even been outside without a hundred bodyguards and armored cars around them.

  126. South Suburb says:

    A few months ago the house bill that would have allowed the citizens of illinois to carry a firearm was not passed; It was only a few votes shy. I believe that when the state police says that a woman can defend herself by carrying a rat tail comb is sufficent enough is crap. I am a woman and honestly I would not want any person with the mind of assult to come close enough to me to commit battery. I live alone with my young son and we have a security system ….that is a pit bull to persuade any person with with ill will in mind to stay out, but if they come in my home they will be more than sorry. I have had peeping Toms and poronographic notes put on my vehicle. Sure I feel safe inside of my abode, but what happens when I leave the house? I do not feel safe in my neighborhood. ( I dont live in a shady town) Our state is failing us where it matters most. If I leave my house with the intention of getting in my vehicle ( where I can not carry a ready firearm) and I get abducted who is going to answer to my parents? my child? Should I break the law just like the real criminals just to keep myself safe? Why should I have to break the law to keep myself safe? We need answers, we need reform!

  127. South Suburb says:

    A few months ago the house bill that would have allowed the citizens of illinois to carry a firearm was not passed; It was only a few votes shy. I believe that when the state police says that a woman can defend herself by carrying a rat tail comb is sufficent enough is crap. I am a woman and honestly I would not want any person with the mind of assult to come close enough to me to commit battery. I live alone with my young son and we have a security system ….that is a pit bull to persuade any person with with ill will in mind to stay out, but if they come in my home they will be more than sorry. I have had peeping Toms and poronographic notes put on my vehicle. Sure I feel safe inside of my abode, but what happens when I leave the house? I do not feel safe in my neighborhood. ( I dont live in a shady town) Our state is failing us where it matters most. If I leave my house with the intention of getting in my vehicle ( where I can not carry a ready firearm) and I get abducted who is going to answer to my parents? my child? Should I break the law just like the real criminals just to keep myself safe? Why should I have to break the law to keep myself safe? We need answers, we need reform!

  128. I am a 28 year old gun owner in dixon illinois if you have a gun card you should be able to carry your weapon anywhere you feel you need to. when I was 23 I had a gang of thugs try to come in my house broke windows, trew a brick on my dog, and scared my sister and her 3 kids to death the cops barly mad it in time I will not ( god for bid) wait the next time… only one was taken to jail out of at least a dozen! will they come back for revenge? hope not ! but if they do ill gladly go to jail to protect my family, every since I carry 24/7…

  129. I am a 28 year old gun owner in dixon illinois if you have a gun card you should be able to carry your weapon anywhere you feel you need to. when I was 23 I had a gang of thugs try to come in my house broke windows, trew a brick on my dog, and scared my sister and her 3 kids to death the cops barly mad it in time I will not ( god for bid) wait the next time… only one was taken to jail out of at least a dozen! will they come back for revenge? hope not ! but if they do ill gladly go to jail to protect my family, every since I carry 24/7…

  130. stupid government says:

    Having owned and shot guns all my life I can tell you that the gov, does not scare your average citizens, There are so many concealed guns moving about from day to day owned by responsible folks that if the powers that be knew just how many there actually were they would probably crap in their pants. One thing you dont hear is the approx. number of legal defensive gun uses in this country, which is curently about 2.5 million. Isnt it amazing that all the news regarding shootings is illleagle gun usage by criminals. I personally look at guns the same way i look at the fire department, you hope you never need to use it but its always there should you need to.

  131. stupid government says:

    Having owned and shot guns all my life I can tell you that the gov, does not scare your average citizens, There are so many concealed guns moving about from day to day owned by responsible folks that if the powers that be knew just how many there actually were they would probably crap in their pants. One thing you dont hear is the approx. number of legal defensive gun uses in this country, which is curently about 2.5 million. Isnt it amazing that all the news regarding shootings is illleagle gun usage by criminals. I personally look at guns the same way i look at the fire department, you hope you never need to use it but its always there should you need to.

  132. Gun control laws have not affected the South Side of Chicago where Guns are out of control, and nobody is doing nothing to stop what is going on. Seems to me White Illinois are more concerned with getting into altercations while out and about with their families, and are itching to use thier guns and being justified. Moreover Police have lost their zeal to protect and serve the communities they took oathes to do just that, yet instead our communites are patroled with platoons of goons who care less about the people and fellowship with arrests and overtime- forgetting the service they were designed to provide. Indeed society needs law and order, but at what costs and what have we created for our youth that are all pounded and profiled by these sharks?
    Why not join all the remaining States and allow everybody in Illinois to Carry their Firearms since the gun range got people trigger happy, and looking for the hunter living like the prey- but also spend some money for training our Police, and reprogram these programs to work for the people again. In short these gun laws and everything else that come with it have forgotten the people- the people who are not living the fanny panic pack life, but are everyday sorrounded by gun violence- where little babies are losing their lives and everybody just forgets they read that or heard that on the T.V.

  133. Gun control laws have not affected the South Side of Chicago where Guns are out of control, and nobody is doing nothing to stop what is going on. Seems to me White Illinois are more concerned with getting into altercations while out and about with their families, and are itching to use thier guns and being justified. Moreover Police have lost their zeal to protect and serve the communities they took oathes to do just that, yet instead our communites are patroled with platoons of goons who care less about the people and fellowship with arrests and overtime- forgetting the service they were designed to provide. Indeed society needs law and order, but at what costs and what have we created for our youth that are all pounded and profiled by these sharks?
    Why not join all the remaining States and allow everybody in Illinois to Carry their Firearms since the gun range got people trigger happy, and looking for the hunter living like the prey- but also spend some money for training our Police, and reprogram these programs to work for the people again. In short these gun laws and everything else that come with it have forgotten the people- the people who are not living the fanny panic pack life, but are everyday sorrounded by gun violence- where little babies are losing their lives and everybody just forgets they read that or heard that on the T.V.

  134. Well I think that this is bs how they can just come and take any thing from us just becz they are wearing a suit well I say I have my cfp foid and ive been well train I also got sertifications so this is how I feel I have a glock 21/ 45 and I’m gonna carry it weather they like it or not my friend got killed right in front of me by some gang bangers and I couldn’t do any thing becz of this stupid law how do u think I feel seeing my best friend die in front of me YEAH IT SUCKS BUT DO U GUYS CARE HELL NO U GUYS JUST WONNA USE THA EXCUSE THAT ILLINOIS WON’T BE SAFE IF U GUYS LET US CARRY WELL TELL ME THIZ THERE’S OTHER STATES OUT THERE THAT HAVE LOTS OF KILLINGS AND VIOLENCE AND THEY ARE ALLOWED TO CARRY….ALSO TELL ME THIZ ANY TIME WE WOULD GET BEAT UP ROB AND DO U THINK JUST FOR A SECOND THAT…..THAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE WHERE ALLOWED TO CARY EXCUSE MY LANGUAGE HELL NO BECZ THEY WILL BE AFFRAID BECZ THEY WOULDN’T NO WHO IS ARMED SO TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT YOUR BUTS AND SEE THE BIGGER PICTURE WHAT NOW YOUR GONNA TAKE MY FREEDOM OF SPEACH….OOOH WAIT U MIGHT WILL BECZ U HAVE A SUIT ON WELL I DNT CARE DO WHAT U GOTTA DO…BUT JUST REMEMBER THEZE FAKE COPS AIN’T DOING NOTHING BUT BOTHER AND MESS WITH PEOPLE WELL I’M GONE BYE……

  135. Things are getting out of hand here in IL. we need someone to step in and help. the state is crooked, and dont know what to do but take take take. All these crimals are have a field day with us law biden citizens. They talk slick at the mouth, act so tuff because they are carrying guns and we are not. My girlfriends son was walking down the street at 9 pm with one of his friends about two mounths ago, and two guys walked up to them… told them if they run or yell they were going to kill them. the two guys made them give them all their money, and jewelry then ran off. Now hes scared to be out at night. people are getting robbed in parking lots, outside their homes, car washes, and everywhere else. If New York and these other big cities can do it, chicago can do it too.

  136. This stupid law about not letting us carry concealed is crazy…WE THE PEOPLE NEED STAND UP FOR OUR RIGHTS WE CAN’T JUST LET THESE ASS HOLES TAKE ALL WE GOT LEFT LIKE OUR RIGHTS THEY ALREADY TAKING OUR MONEY AND MAKING US PAY FOR THEIR FUCK UP’S I’M SORRY FOR SAYING BAD WORDS BUT HONESTLY IT’S OUT OF CONTROL AND AIN’T NOBODY DOING ANY THING ABOUT IT…IS SAD TO SAY THAT THESE SRE THE PEOPLE WE ARE VOTING FOR…WHY DON’T WE ALL GET TOGETHER AND SHOW THEM WHAT WE ARE ALL ABOUT..WHAT ARE THEY WAITING FOR….FOR MORE AND MORE FAMILIES TO GET HURT AND KILLED BEFORE THEY EVEN CONCITER LETTING US HAVE WHAT WE WANT WELL COME ON THIS IS CRAZY I HAVE KIDS AND I WILL BE DAM IF I LET A GANGBANGER ROB OR TRY TO KILL ME OR MY FAMILY…WE NEED TO PROTECT ONE AND OTHER WE THE PEOPLE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR FAMILYS AND WE HAVE GREAT NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ON THEIR OWN AND HAVE NO ONE AND WALK IN THE STREETS….I HEARD ABOUT THIS GIRL THAT GOT KILLED AND RAPE IN THE ALLEY AND COULD NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE SHE WAS NOT ALLOWED TO CARRY HOW SAD IS THAT…THATS SOMEONE’S DAUGHTER,FRIEND,SISTER,CUSSIN WHAT EVER YOU WONNA CALL HER BUT IS NOT RIGHT….DOES ANY ONE AGREE WITH ME PLEASE LET ME KNOW SO WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND SHOW THESE GUYS WITH SUITS THAT WE DISERVE THE BEST AND NOT LET THEM TELL US WHAT’S BEST FOR US STANT UP FOR OUR RIGHTS…GOD BLESS TO EVERYONE AND PLEASE PROTECT YOUR FAMILIES AND SPECIALY KIDS…THANKS

  137. Armed Chicagoan says:

    I like to read all the comments before posting so that I can gauge the temperature of the page. It would appear that the overwhelming majority support concealed carry in Illinois.As do I. There needs to be training and a REASONABLE FEE for the ID card. I have 4 CCW permits, a Chicago Permit and several handguns.
    Chicago is a HOT BED of VIOLENCE. There are not nearly enough police officers on the street at any given time. And there are more and more shootings EACH DAY. These victims do NOT have a means to protect themselves. The criminal knows this. I say EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US on this blog FLOOD SPRINGFIELD with a DEMAND FOR CCW.
    And no,it wont make blood run in the streets. No it wont turn Chicago into the wild west. No it wont leave bodies laying in a heap or any other vivid graphic the anti gunners and anti rights (usually called DEMOCRATS) people want to force upon you. Illinois is the ONLY STATE in the ENTIRE COUNTRY that does not allow some form of CCW. THIS MUST CHANGE. Quinn,Madigan,Cullerton,Burke,and any other Democratic Politician need to be VOTED OUT.
    While it is your RIGHT to keep and bear arms, try it in chicago. Seriously. I mean, yes i risk it and carry my .45 to and from the grocery store because ITS DANGEROUS OUT HERE.
    The Illinois politicians seem to think that the police can handle the crime. They cannot. They come AFTER the fact and rarely during the fact,this and the fact of the restrictive gun laws in this communist state make you a,,,,VICTIM. Im sorry, I REFUSE to be a victim. I fight each day to push these politicians out and to get CCW passed for Illinois. Ask Otis McDonald about gun rights. He stepped up. I urge ALL OF YOU to step up. Get your FOID CARD, take a safety course offered by the NRA and last but not least do not EVER fall into the rut of the one poster proclaiming “responsibility” which is simply masked rhetoric from an anti gunner. I hate to sound cliche but you can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hand. Residents of Illinois have a fundamental RIGHT to self protection. You also have a right to keep and bear arms. You NEED to remove those from Office that are a threat to that right. We need to,as a united State,DEMAND our right to bear arms.We need to,as a united State,take BACK our neighborhoods from the dope man and the gang banger.
    We are all in this fight together but some times when I step up to that line and look around, I dont see too much back up. But STILL I STAND THE LINE. Its easy to enjoy the rights some fight for. Its harder to fight for the right that all can enjoy.

    Cort D Chubko
    ARMED CHICAGO CITIZEN

  138. “The law “means that you can transport a gun from one place to another, not carry the gun around like a pistol in a holster in the Wild West,” John Gorman, the spokesman, said.”

    I would like to personally invite John Gorman to come down here and visit Arizona, where we have Constitutional Carry. That means anyone who is legally able (not a convicted felon) may carry a firearm without a license.
    Before Arizona passed this law, opponents were wringing their hands and crying about ‘blood running in the streets’, ‘shootouts on every corner’ and also used that worn-out line about the ‘Wild Wild West’.
    Well, come on down to the ‘Wild Wild West’ and you’ll see people of all ages and from all walks of life open carrying firearms. Guess what? The crime rates have dropped across the board and no guns are running down the streets randomly shooting at people. Our homicide rate for the year is what Chicago racks up in ONE MONTH.
    Now, you may point out Congresswoman Gabby Giffords shooting in Tucson, and I will tell you this common-sense TRUTH: A criminal will ignore a ‘No Guns’ sign. A criminal won’t care how many gun laws you pass. A criminal is not going to obey the Law no matter what you do, that’s why they are called ‘criminals’.

    Allowing responsible people their God-Given Right to Defend themselves WORKS, gun control does not.

  139. Nick Covington says:

    i feel as if we should be able to carry i live in danville which is bout 2 hrs south of chicago which was flooded with criminals and all sorts of gangmembers when caprni greens closed. i am 21 and i be that if we have a ccw we should be required to have a small fee for each year and that we should be required to take a gun saftey course at least once a year. a gun is a very dangerous but at the same time can save lives at the same time lets ban together to get congress to pass a ccw in ill.

  140. I just moved back to Illinois from Missouri. Missouri has a carry conceal law and it is working well from what I have read. It’s also another way for the state to make money. Something Illinois is desperately in need of at the moment. However, the fear I’ve seen in women’s faces when they are simplying walking to their cars in Rockford is a big reason this state needs to pass a carry conceal law. I’d bet a winning powerball ticket if any of those women were the wife, mother, sister of a state rep, that law would get passed PDQ. Get with it Illinois. I grew up in Chicago 50+ years ago, and have lived with guns my entire life. I’m sick and tired of the fear these gang members pose to the average AMERICAN citizen.

  141. So this article appeared in 2000. Has there been any test cases in the courts on the fanny pack issue? Any decisions?

  142. I know that legal gun owners no matter where they may reside do not wish to have a shootout or shoot at anyone or anything other than a target at a gun range.Legal gun owners in Illinois want a regulated conceal carry law for peace of mind,and to be able to protect themselves and their loved ones if need be.I live in Chicago where a GUN BAN existed for many years and it never deterred gun violence one bit.Chicago,s politicians are given the right to carry a handgun and THEY DO and the one,s that don,t HAVE BODYGUARDS and isn,t it amazing no alderman has been shot or killed.What has happened in Chicago with police protection not through any fault of the police officers is when you need the police in a minute they are only five minuets away accept for THE POLITICIANS .Victims of violent crimes need to hold the city of chicago and the state of Illinois accountable for not allowing it’s residents to protect themselves.I wonder if victims start to file lawsuits against the city and state for not being able to protect themselves from DEADLY VIOLENCE if the state and city will continue to drag their feet on the issue.

  143. We live in the most corrupted state as far as leaders go so what is the big deal if they take away our rights as gun owners. Nothing about Illinois makes any sense anymore. It is a huge deal with me because I live in Illinois and work in Missouri in St. Louis and am constantly on edge when I walk to the parking garage after work. I have encountered strange characters after work and wish I had the legal right to carry protection because I know that they are carrying illegally…

  144. I’ve posted a comment all ready. I just think its time to protest. It would be good to go to Springfield, and do so. We need people in numbers to go down. We the people can do it.

  145. You know only people who have an unstable mind would even think about pulling a gun in a tense situation. Plus most adults wouldn’t even think about doing so until a life or death situation it is people like the last quote in this excerpt that we cannot have conceal and carry. They’re raised to be people who are handed stuff not going out and working their arses off for it like everyone else.

    If they’re so worried about someone pulling a gun on them why don’t they make a move and carry their own gun with them. They’re just nit-picking. In all the states that have conceal and carry legally, crime rate has gone down on an average of 38% in most areas.

    I have my XD-45 ready and waiting to come with me where ever I go 100% legally. I’m confident in my knife handling enough that I am going to wait until this “rights vampire” of a state gets its head out of its own rear-end.

  146. One thing about the carry / conceal law. Can a person in Illinois, who owns a FOID card and a stun gun, carry such stun gun away from home? And, if so, there are no magazines per se to unload from the weapon, so how can you carry it “within the law” so to speak. What is the point of carrying a stun gun with a valid FOID card, lets say, when you are walking to your car after work late at night or early in the morning? I am blind, and am thinking of applying for a FOID card so I can own and carry a stun gun to prevent assaults. But, if I can only own a stun gun in my home, what’s the point of getting one?

  147. I have been a liberal Democrat all of my life. For most of that time, I was anti-gun. A year or so ago, I read an article in the Tribune by Stephen Chapman, stating that violent crime goes up in areas where guns are banned. As I said, I am a liberal, but I am not stupid. I spent the next three days combing the internet for violent crime statistics in areas where guns are legal and where they are not. What did I find? That Mr. Chapman was correct. In areas where guns are banned, violent crime increases. In areas where people can own guns, it DECREASES. In areas where CCW is legal, it is even lower. After decades of being anti-gun, I have changed my position on this issue. I am still a Democrat, I am still a left leaning liberal, but I am now also in support of responsible gun ownership, and I am in the process of obtaining my first FOIA card, so I can take the Chicago gun safety course, and purchase my first hand gun. I am thinking of a Glock 17……

  148. chuck morgan says:

    the state of illinois sickens me with the b******t of twisting our constitutional rights to favor the democratic party. i dont care what laws are in effect,i am not a criminal and i will carry my gun wherever i feel it necessary

  149. Illinois is now the ONLY state that doesn’t have a concealed carry law. I urge everyone to keep
    on your legislators and strongly urge them to pass this law that supports our Second Amendment rights.
    Statistics have proven that those states with a concealed carry have a lower crime rate. Criminals are
    less apt to approach you if they suspect or know you are armed. Do not let Chicago politicians and
    anti-gun liberals tell you that you don’t have the right to protect yourself.
    You most certainly do.

  150. Why doesn t everyone get together and file a class action lawsuit against the state for violating our constitutional rights??

  151. I am in favor of the concealed carry law and I wish Illinois would get up to speed with the rest of the nation and pass a law that allows citizens to carry. When you look at the crime rate not only in Chicago but in cities like Rockford, it’s an absolute abomination that citizens have their second amendment right supressed and they have to rely on the police to get there in time.

  152. R. Lienhart says:

    On the fanny pack situation: As NRA Pistol Instructor, this situation has been kicked around alot. MY OPION and lots of others: You carry in a fanny pack, get caught, YOU GO TO JAIL!! Right to carry will get to Illinois, don’t get caught with your “fanny” hanging out!!!!!!

  153. Brian Fleming says:

    The only way Chicago will ever get there problem there having with shootings / killings will be when Illinois finally passes a CCW law.

  154. I have read this article very carefully I even read it twice to make sure that I understood it. According to the way I read it, it is stating that if you have a “fanny pack” and have a valid FOID card that is not supended or has not been renewed then you are asking for trouble. But if you do have a valid FOID card that is up to date this article is saying you have a legal “loop hole” to carry a fire arm in a “fanny pack”. With the new ruling that came down from the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals that stated that it is unconstitional that people in the state of Illinois now have the right to “Carry and Conceal”. A lot of people carry “fanny packs” for reasons who knows. Some people may think that the person who is carrying a “fanny pack” my be carring person belonging and not a fire arm. The only time fire arm would be noticed if that person were to be stopped by the police. Even then carrying a frie arm in a “fanny pack” borders in a gray area and the police know that.
    If you read between the lines you will see that all the politicans that appose the “carry and conceal” will the first ones in line to get a permit or not having to go through any kind of testing. Is this a big day for the all the law biding citizens in the state of Illinois you bettcha. This is only the first step in a long process. If everyone has read all the articles it state that the law makers in Illinois have 180 days that;s 6 months to come up with a bill for “carry and conceal” and to pass it. There one thing that is not in favor of the law biding citizens who have a valid FOID card is Lisa Madigan her father controls everything that goes on in Illinois. LIsa Madigan can either appeal the ruling or take it to the Supreme Court where she will lose or go with the ruling that was brought down by the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals. Six months is a long time but I believe that will not take 6 months, because there is a lot of money to be made it “carry and conceal” is pased and the citizens from the state of Illinois will now be able to defend them selfes. The clock is ticiking
    .

  155. This is a risky proposition. You are messing with your very freedom. Forewarned is forearmed . . . well, maybe not armed.

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